But you’re looking at a pyramid, if you will, and you flat out say that the foundation of that pyramid “is unimportant and has no intrinsic value.” But remove that foundation and the entire structure collapses. One can concoct very cogent and brilliant theories based entirely on mathematics which are consistent and viable, but have absolutely no basis in our physical universe once they are tested by observations, IE, confirming the facts. That will require work by scientists to further assess the challenges. But as it does so, the wind does not flow evenly into the bottoms of the deep craters at the poles. Lunar regolith has been found to be very sharp-edged, mainly because it hasn’t undergone the same kind of erosive processes that soil on Earth has. But if you were doing it anyway, there are many effects. Dude, read the original article. When President John F. Kennedy declared in 1962 that the United States would go to the moon, not because it is easy, but “because [it is] hard,” he had no idea how hard. Living on the Moon would be expensive. – Even if we would only want to go to NEOs or Mars, we will have the same problem in spades. The basis of the pyramid are repeatable observations under strictly specified conditions. The Mars Society , founded in 1998 to advocate for exploring and setting up a human presence on Mars, has its own "Mars Direct" plan. I just think that it’s a bit much to think of traveling to the moon (or anywhere else off the earth’s surface) as “safe” at our current and foreseeable level of technology. that will do damage to tissues and then present more surface for the This sends a cascade of signals that cause the secondary immune response. They cause severe interference with the smallscale biological functions of lungs (rather than merely blocking airflow as larger, “non-toxic” dust might), and are thus toxic. To cut up tissue is not something that makes anything toxic. Wow! I actually stumbled on an interesting technology in this context. Living on the Moon would be expensive. [Read all Times reporting on the 50th anniversary of the Apollo 11 moon landing. But as our nights grow increasingly bright, its … “Is” or “may be” ? 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No organisms have been found on the Moon, but the water molecules found on the lunar surface today may be remnants of the events mentioned by the University researchers. How about a reference from a medical textbook, published in 2008: Mars has silica and iron oxide. u/DeExil. Life on the moon would be very different for explorers than life on Earth. People on Earth are protected from cosmic rays thanks to Earth’s magnetic field, but an unprotected, Mars-bound astronaut would receive 0.3 sieverts of radiation on a one-way trip—that’s hardly close to the lethal dose of 8 sieverts or even the radiation sickness–causing dose of 1 sievert, but researchers think that amount (equivalent to 24 comp… NASA certainly tries to achieve high levels of safety and there’s nothing wrong with that. Those cosmic rays have the power to charge through both strands of DNA, snapping them in two and causing cancer. Needless to say, if particles can pose abrasive damage to human skin, similar danger to the eyes is also a concern. http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=34093. These test predicted observations, and should result in some more repeatable observations. And you know nothing about the definition of fact! The explanations offered by the article summary above does not contain anything that can be used to classify moon dust as toxic. Artificial light revolutionized life on earth. As the article indicates there has been physical erosion to reduce sharp points and concoidal fracture edges. You would also be able to see Earth go through phases, just like you saw the Moon do from Earth! The Moon tilts only slightly toward the Sun, so the solar wind flows fairly evenly over its poles. Some sceptics, who claim that man has never reached the moon, say that man can not pass this belt because of the strong, fatal radiation for him. PS: Don’t get a job as a professional dismantler of some sort. On Earth, sleep deprivation makes us fuzzy, but on the moon it is plain dangerous. “The dust was so abrasive that it actually wore through three layers of Kevlar-like material on Jack [Schmitt’s] boot.”, – Professor Larry Taylor, Director of the Planetary Geosciences Institute, University of Tennessee (2008). Sharp, clingy and toxic. “Facts are unimportant in science, because they have no intrinsic value.” And the award for the most ridiculous statement of this thread goes to… Don’t worry though, we know what meant. Asbestos directly makes you sick: http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/csem/csem.asp?csem=4&po=10. They talk at some length about how and The mudporch would be nothing more than a grated metal platform, through which any loosened dust would fall to the surface below (and it would fall through the vacuum like a rock, not linger in the air like dust on Earth). That includes the possibility of Facts are not present in the pyramid you refer to. If you think my statement is ridiculous, it’s because you have previously held beliefs, in which facts have value, and theories do not have value, because you deem theories to be unproven, while somehow facts are proven and therefore you think – completely incorrectly – that facts have value. It only talks about the abrasive qualities moon dust has. Jupiter is a planet, so the rubble between Mars and Jupiter is called …. Turns out that simply using ultrasonics snaps carbon nanotubes down in size, despite such nanotubes being ~ 100 times stronger than steel at that size. But on the moon, that same shift occurs once every 28 days. But I guess some people are wilfully ignorant. Ouch, eh? I didn’t really mean that the moon should be avoided completely, more that its usefulness looking ahead may be limited. The Moon is in a tidal lock with Earth, meaning as it orbits around Earth, the same side of the Moon is always facing the planet. The moon might also be rippling. Beyond the obvious hazards that arise from a rocket flight, zero-gravity nausea and a risky landing, the moon itself can be deadly. The fictional stories became known as "The Great Moon Hoax." The comments below ignore one fact completely. In a paper titled “Toxicity of Lunar Dust” (D. Linnarsson et al.) However, living on a moon provides an extra dimension of complications. This is perhaps the biggest challenge. Any lunar space suit will need periodic maintenance. In addition, a dose of long-term radiation affects your cognitive abilities — resulting in dementia, memory deficits, anxiety, depression and impaired decision-making. Asbestos directly makes you sick. “Since 2010, NASA has been testing out the effects of what living in space can do to the human body, to prepare them for the journey to Mars, and also for living there” 9. I would think that if Martian dust was sharp like Lunar dust, it would have damaged Mars landers/rovers in a way that we would by now have detected (eg. We can't be so sure that, the moon will provides us our demands. In total, 12 Apollo astronauts lived on the lunar surface for roughly 10 days, and traveled outside their lander for only 80 hours. I don’t have an issue with this particular article heading but I’ve noticed a trend. This is a mathematical way to describe the hypothesis, and provides a basis for a test bed before any physical testing. 3b) We could do more observations, and watch my wife closely. Let’s put the rest of that quote in here, Mr Cherry Picker: Therefore it’s harmful via chemical or poisonous means, and is therefore toxic. And yet, in total, Mr. Schmitt spent just 22 hours on the surface. and what happened to the piece of scalp lost to the dark witches (CROWS) ?……, Wikipedia has it that then NASA manager Abe Silverstein, thought that the image of “Apollo riding his chariot across the Sun was appropriate to the grand scale of the proposed program.”. Living in this type of environment impacts the body in three important ways: loss of proprioception, changes in fluid distribution, and deterioration of the musculoskeletal system. But it wouldn’t avoid the dust problem completely, would it? Lol. Or having an atmosphere you get erosion and it prevents that? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicosis Asbestos ends up inducing forms of cancer. If, of course, my wife is actually observed to be in bed with multiple men, and not just the original one we initially encountered, then the theory needs more work. Light moved at C. Those are facts. Water is liquid and can respond to gravity more dramatically. Only substances can have the quality of toxicity. Asbestos fibers set up a range of immune and cell-tissue responses. Perhaps the platform could even be vigorously vibrated to further loosen any dust that sticks to it or to the moonwalker’s boots. Facts, in the scientific method, are the least important things of all. Explore the challenges and benefits of building a lunar colony. You seem to have too many references against Wikipedia in your comments. 7. NASA has revealed its plans attempting to get humans living on Mars in the next few decades. On the moon the pressure would actually squeeze our body like a trashed can. He researched dangers like cosmic rays and radiation, ... For his entry, Asa Schultz, who tied for first in the high school division, focused on the needs of people living on the moon. Also, I never said you were confused about theories and hypotheses. In the case of lung tissue this can induce an auto-immune disorder that destroys tissue, which is emphysema. One possible way to avoid the dust problem is to setup shop where there is little or no dust. We could try living on the moon... but it might not be a good idea. Laws. Reply #2: Not to mention that cancer is potensial a side-effect of asbestos, and as I’ve already said, the cancer from asbestos is not the thing that makes asbestos toxic. Great. “A lot of people think the moon is like a desert, but it’s actually more like an ocean,” Dr. Richard Scheuring, a flight surgeon at NASA, said. Current spacesuits can block a 9-millimeter round, Dr. Scheuring said, “but a micrometeorite could be going a lot faster and it could be a lot bigger.”. Moron. “The Moon is Toxic”…”… Sleep may not come easy on the moon. It’s important to note here that repeated observations, which should be held under strict conditions, but also different sorts of conditions, will all yeild the exact same fact. As a result any sort of assault could have long term effects. Certainly makes the cleaning issue easier though. You really needed The Dramatic Chipmunk. Yeah man, everything is toxic in excessive amount so only take a spoonful of moon at a time. But, have you ever asked yourself: what would it be like to live on the Moon? I said you have previously held beliefs “, in which facts have value, and theories do not have value, because you deem theories to be unproven, while somehow facts are proven and therefore you think – completely incorrectly – that facts have value.”. If we are going to have space probes on the moon, should they be on the light or dark side of the moon? Asbestos actually isn’t any more chemically toxic than Lunar dust. 3. Two immediate problems: The moon has lots of aluminum. You can contract the rhino virus and be sick immediately. Unfortunately, you are very adept at evading knowledge. The Cost of Living on the Moon. Not certain if these regions exist or not, but a potential target might be found within select craters, rilles or lava tubes. So instead I propose a hose which expels a tiny jet of air, which could be used to loosen up dust off a surface. Like pollutants encountered on Earth, such as asbestos and volcanic ash,”. Just let the suits stand outside and bathe in UV rays for most of the mission. We need to understand and explain reality, however, and for that we need to progress far beyond mere facts, and to the ultimate goal: a Theory. Surely there would be some dust on the backplate that could still sneak its way it. Oh, and you mentioned Asbestos. Without the theory, as outlined above, the fact is really of low importance. So when I say facts are unimportant, it’s because they are. After all, you're not orbiting the sun anymore; you're orbiting a much closer object that has a much larger impact on the physical conditions of your world. It does not accurately use the term “toxic” (while the linked article on arxiv does use the term correctly). the health hazards of the Moon’s fine, powdery dust — which plagued Apollo astronauts both in and out of their suits — are investigated in detail (or as best as they can be without actually being on the Moon with the ability to collect pristine samples.). Posted by. The research that can be done on the Moon — as well as from it — will be invaluable to science. And the stakes are high. That should reduce contamination from outside. Obviously we cannot create a theory that goes against facts. That is bad news for future lunar bases, which might be vulnerable to the shaking. Yes, the textbook is wrong, because it didn’t add false information to “qualify” things in a way that suits you. Mining on the moon would remove some mass, but I don't think you'd notice. As space agencies and private companies look toward a future of people living on the moon and Mars, we have to contend with an unpleasant reality: the radiation out there is lethal. As you can see, your short example has led to a good case study in how science works, and should serve to show you that you are utterly ignorant of the subject matter you deem yourself capable of debating with me. All of these hazards may seem worth it to anyone willing to be a moon dweller. But you’re still sick, whether or not you immediately see the symptoms. In fact, there are a long list of other interesting facts about our Moon that nearly all people know. Asbestos fibers are cancerogenous for the exact same reason these dusts can be whatever their chemical makeup. Well, moon dust fails on all three counts, although there is a potential for it. When NASA sent the Curiosity rover hurtling to Mars in 2011, it packed a stow away: an instrument designed to measure the radiation throughout the trek. He made no actual comment of his own. You put the cut right after “The moon itself may be toxic to humans” in bold. But what benefit did your post provide, in your opinion? I repeeted myself a lot, so that the message can get through. Your one fact (she’s in bed with another man) means stuff all. En route to another world, astronauts will be bombarded with cosmic radiation: tiny, high-energy atom fragments that whiz through space and can damage cells and DNA. 7. It is _so_ worth it! Just what that lunar habitat will look like remains a tough question, in part because radiation can penetrate most materials now used in space construction. I doubt the Apollo astronauts suffered that much, for the exposure was comparatively transient. I do not disagree that moon dust can be toxic. Would not want to drink recycled water if it has come in contact with dust that has received high radioactive doses over millions of years. Now that's a Moon I'd have no problem living on. However, once in deep space – on the way to the Moon or Mars, for example – the dangers of lethal doses of radiation become an increasing worry and … On November 2, 2017, scientists reported that significant changes in the position and structure of the brain have been found in astronauts who have taken trips in space , based on MRI studies . Eye Damage. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Only repeatable obvervations have some value. I assumed people would understand that the mud porch would be inside a pressurised airlock. Going to the Moon Was Hard — But the Benefits Were Huge, for All of Us Still, the research is a step in the right direction as it looks to ensure a safe environment for future explorers on the Moon, our familiar — yet still alien — satellite world. . Experience from ‘debates’ with AGW deniers, in the Universe Today comments, has taught me that the likes of you are only trolling for a reaction! 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